Ha! It's always fun to see a model tartlet believe that he/she's going to learn something by copying other's work. That's the archetype of the moron who will hit the 30's age mark with drawings only his/her friends cfan compliment to avoid an emotional breakdown in their, rather delusional, friend. They do believe art doesn't take work! And that's hilarious!!!
troll, but I'm gonna feed it anyway. Copying is how they teach you to learn new things and improve. I've done a master study for at least half of my classes. Saying copying an artist and it not helping you improve is like saying working from photographs and saying that doesn't help you improve. By doing and practicing, even just doodling and sketching is helping an artist improve and learn.
Nope, "copying" is to grab something you don't fully understand, and to pretend you are obtaining a benefit from it."LEARNING"is to observe, gather valuable information, gain understanding from it, then apply it in the most usesful way to what you do. Of course, it doesn't surprise me to hear it from someone like you. Seriously, your gallery literally screams like you don't have a clue of how the human body works. Example, that Ezio, or Assassin Creed guy, with the poor perspective, and even worst pose. Did you spent a year or so watching at others drawings before you felt confident enough to draw that? Don't you feel at times it looks wonky?
Sorry, I'm not going to agree with your rather poor perceiption of learning. It's a proven fact what is what really helps artists. Whenever somebody says "I can learn from copying", it clearly proves how little this person knows about arts.
seriously? do you think you're not copying in so many of your own pieces? you must be the only source of true originality left in the world and should be seen as a god i suppose. i mean seriously....take a gander at your own gallery before you start criticizing others, you could afford some learning.
And we have , yet, another dolt which neither knows what is being talked; or the concepts involved in the subject. I don't know if laughing at you; or clearing up facts-I'll do both.
The main subject is "learning". The current subject is "method of...". There is a discussion where some people (generally amateurs) preach about the benefits of grabbing other's works (drawings, illustrations, paintings, etc), then make use of them as factual learning sources (in this case, a set of sketches of already stylished noses). Such method is a farse. Even when I'm not the best of them all (neither I have claimed to be it), I have a particularily better understanding of the anatomy, as well as other important stuff, than the people whinning because I told some to learn from nature (real life).
Anyways, as I might have forgot to clarify, "copying", in this case, refers to not use nature as a learning source but to use other's drawings. Not "copying" in the sense of "to copy the concepts, ideas, or parafernalia of other's and to claim intellectual ownership of it". In that aspect, yes, I draw soldiers, weapons, and even do fanart just like a gazillion people here. Still, I can claim intellectual ownership over several concepts to some extent, such as caseless, recoiless, light-weight polymer-frame, shoulder-mounted 200 rounds helical-magazine assault rifles. And the name of the fictitious manufacturing company, as well as the army which makes use of it, and that army's concept. <-the last 2 paragraphs were the patient explanation.
But again, it's always better to act all butthurt because "fwiend gwot hwarmed by stoopid twoll!!1! >", instead of informing yourself and "learn" a little bit more about the world instead of acting like an inmature, and ignorant child rejecting new ideas just because theyt aren't ultra-hyper sensible, sugarcoated with a cherry on top, couple with buttkissing to no end.<-that was the insult.
Well that picture was just a sketch so no it's not perfect. It's an idea that I thought was fun and thought others would enjoy, but I, unfortunately, have more important things to do than work on that particular piece. I also never claimed to be a master of figure drawing and you're no master either. What makes you so qualified to judge my skills?
And what makes you so perfect to not get judged? Also, the answer to yours is "I blatantly claim that learning from watching other's work is actually helpful to improve my skills". Anyways, yet another clarification. A sketch, per se, is a preliminar test of a concept before final execution. It helps a lot to verify how well-thought the idea is, and how it should look like. Again, that one of the AC clearly shows you lack a lot of anatomy understanding, which is presented through a mechanical, impossible pose. But anyway, you might as well look around DA for a drawing of a picture of somebody running, then copy it and call it a day.
Again, you are not some sort of god to avoid "judgement" (in this case, only the one where I point how you learning method wasn't of any use when you drew the AC fanart. I think there might be more, plus some mocks of your ridiculous ideas, but I'm too lazy to go back and verify). I think i didn't even use some insults (if I did I take that last line back), but it seems like someone's ego here is so bloated that she can't take a simple fact as her "prefered" method of learning is not working out in such ambitious projects. Neither I think they will. Unless you outright trace some other picture with a similar pose, then repeat the proses everytime you stumble yourself upon the same pose.
I never said I was above being judged. And a sketch is just a quick drawing to get an idea out and see its validity yes, but you think I use my first sketch for the final piece? Ha! No. I draw something ten times before I find the right drawing to take to the final piece. It was just a rough. Quit trying to act like you caught me in some mistake. Not everything an artist does is going to be perfect and smooth. If you live life like that it's pretty boring and rigid because you're afraid to fuck up. If you don't do ten different drawings how d oyou know your first idea was the best one anyway? I never said my AC piece was amazing. You're the one obsessing over something that is basically nothing.
Quite simply, I can't. In my previous comment I was referring to copying as a means of learning, or as tbonegirl28 mentioned, doing "master studies". You copy something a great artist drew. But you do not simply copy. You examine the piece, you observe techniques the artist used, you understand them and why they did what they did. You find what was good about the piece, or what made it a good piece, then go about applying that to your own work. Heck, that's what references like these are for. Practice, to be used as a tool to gain skill.
I was not, however, implying that there are any famous/successful artists out there that copy everything they make professionally, or who aren't able to draw if they don't have any references. The thought of that itself is ridiculous.
Oh, cut with the crap, little kid. Every good artist worth their salt here knows that study of nature and real life is the only way to improve. And more importantly, NONE of them will ever agree that using others works in the same way you use real life will give the same results.
Still, it's nice to believe that actually not working your ass will (somehow) work. That's why I don't worry in discussing this with the likes of you. What? Did you believe I was going to beg you to admit the facts? Hey, it's a free world, you can jerk off to the idea of learning from another person's illustrations. Just, don't expect respect from it. Other people did not worked their asses so hard to tolerate a retard going around spreading blatant bullshit with the potential to prejudice capable, yet gullible, amateurs.
Your arguments are tiresome and ridiculous, old man. I'm sure plenty of real artists will agree copying helps — but definitely not wannabe-losers like yourself, too afraid to admit to that which is already blatantly obvious.
But who the hell am I kidding? Judging from your gallery you are obviously a master of art in your own little world, so keep it to yourself instead of belittling younger artists who actually try and aspire to become something. I wish you luck in your "art career", maybe someday we will draw as well as you. //snickers
I tell the same, proof, please. C'mon, let's see how many of them agree with you. You can mock me, at least I don't need to take art from others to show a pretty avatar. And one single similar drawing.